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The "Horten 229"

Unfinished wonder weapon of ww2
by HerrThule | 3 months ago (Mon, Feb 06, 2012) | in Cool Stuff (Sfw)
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Meet the "wonder weapon" that could have won the war for Hitler.

Called the Horten 229, the radical "flying wing" fighter-bomber looked and acted a lot like the U.S. Air Force's current B-2 — right down to the "stealth" radar-evading characteristics.

Fortunately for the world, the Ho 229 wasn't put into mass production before Nazi Germany surrendered in May 1945.

But American researchers boxed up and shipped home the prototypes and partially-built planes that existed — and now the same company that builds the B-2 has rebuilt one.

Northrop Grumman Corp. spent its own time and money using the original German blueprints to replicate the wood-and-steel-tube bomber, right down to its unique metallic glue and paint, at its facility in El Segundo, Calif.

Using radar of the same type and frequency used by British coastal defenses in World War II, the engineers found that an Ho 229, flying a few dozen feet above the English Channel, would indeed have been "invisible" to the Royal Air Force — an advantage that arrived too late for the Nazis to exploit.

"This was the most advanced technology that the Germans had at the end of the war, and Northrop solved the question of how stealthy it was and its performance against Allied radar at the time," documentary filmmaker Mike Jorgenson told the Long Beach, Calif., Press-Telegram. "It's significantly better than anything flying operationally probably until the 1960s."
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  • oyxter | 3 months ago | +6


    Short video about it...   in youtube
  • HerrThule | 3 months ago | +3
    Hitler couldnt wait, thats why they lost the 2nd world war.
  • cheezeball | 3 months ago | +3
  • oyxter | 3 months ago | +3
    Perhaps even more advanced the Heinkel Jet Fighter, awesomely modern looking, I saw one in the Imperial War Museum in London.
    • IZHMASH | 3 months ago | +1
      The salamander, neat looking plane, built a model of that one too. Kinda looks like the inspiration for the A-10, even has the same modular design for quick repairs. We took alot of german designs and made our own. Like the Ta-182 "huckbein" became the F-86 sabre, and the Mig-15
    • clervaux | 3 months ago | +1
      The Heinkel 162 was a cheap plane to be flown by inexperienced pilots.
      • IZHMASH | 3 months ago | +1
        Yeah and it was too complicated for even the most experienced pilots to fly well, which by the end of the war they were fresh out of, they used some hiter youth to pilot these. I do believe that the salamander was responsible for the last luftwaffe kill of the war, it shot down a british fighter......before crashing trying to land. You get what you pay for, they were built using unskilled labor, in an underground salt mine out of ply wood and acidic glue that would sometimes fail during flight and fall apart....
  • xxxdsidexxx | 3 months ago | +2
    i wonder ... did it ever hear a who?
    • Beerfan | 3 months ago | +1
      No. It was never finished.
    • IZHMASH | 3 months ago | +1
      But it did kill a jew...
      • xxxdsidexxx | 3 months ago | +1
        i did nazi that one coming ....
  • CaptainFlyscratch | 3 months ago | +2
    Excellent post!
  • Yoda | 3 months ago | +2
    I read an excellent book late last year


    that had no only this plane but several others that were developed using Nazi technology after WW2. 
    No it is not an alien conspiracy based book. Read more here 
    • Yoda | 3 months ago | +1
      *that had not...
  • YodaSpawn | 3 months ago | +2
    Looks like an old movie prop to me.
    • IZHMASH | 3 months ago | +1
      Nope just unfinished
  • oyxter | 3 months ago | +1
    Not half as lucky as the pilot who drew the short straw to fly it...
    • Evermind | 3 months ago | +2
      Yeah me too, I saw where the air comes out. BUT where the fuck does it go in? I'm boy a rocket surgeon or anything, but I think a jet engine would become something like a vaccum if enclosed like it would be here.
      • Alighieri | 3 months ago | +3
        left and right of the cockpit there are 2 air intakes, these are for the jet engines (which run from the front to the plane to about 3/4th of the back, as seen in the photos)


      • IZHMASH | 3 months ago | +2
        The front isnt visible in the pictures, there is intakes on eitherside of the cockpit. #4&5 is the engineless glider prototype
  • MissFilth | 3 months ago | +1
    Looks like flight of the navigator!
  • Risen | 3 months ago | +1
    kind of makes you wonder how german way back then could have been so advanced in so many different areas.
    • Evermind | 3 months ago | +1
      They have theories about this you know? There's on where it's said that Hitler worked in alignment with Satan. That's how he had power to control with his voice, his words. That's how he had knowledge in certain areas unknown. Maybe the soldiers that followed him, his selected men, actually believed and followed everything this man said.
    • Alighieri | 3 months ago | +1
      having the guts to try things out and having a leader which encourages insane ideas sort-of helps =D
    • cycloid | 3 months ago | +1
      I believe it is because they had almost unlimited research funds.
  • PLEDGEY | 3 months ago | +1
    That's a nice looking plane.
  • Pookybear | 3 months ago | +1
    it's not unfinished, it was actually flown as a prototype
    • HerrThule | 3 months ago | +1
      a prototype IS an unfinished product, when they find something that has to be changed they change it, test it again and if everything works its finished.
  • IZHMASH | 3 months ago | +1
    Cool plane I built a model of it awhile back.
  • doctorgasm | 3 months ago | +1
    So they captured this ground-breaking technology, shipped it out so secretly that it had a code name then just stored it away, despite the fact that Jack Northrop has been studying flying wings since the 1930's. Yeah, got me convinced.
  • AT0MB | 3 months ago | +1
    God and a few bad choises on Hitlers part like being in a rush and greedy just like "Herrthule" said....
    • Alighieri | 3 months ago | +1
      yea, one of Hitler's bad decisions was not to accept the ME-262 until late on in the war (it was rather ready around 1942-1943 IIRC, but it wasnt put in service by Hitler until 1944
    • the1armman | 3 months ago | +1
      1945 Novel

      Actually, his biggest blunder was attacking Russia. If he would have stayed away from them Hitler would have probably defeated Allied forces. I read a pretty good book co-authored by Newt Gingrich called 1945.

      "At the start of the novel, the United States, having won over Japan, is in no mood to enter a new war, and Americans accept the fait accompli of German domination over Europe. An alternate Cold War seems in the offing; even the British, with a German-dominated Europe at their doorstep, squander much of their resources on a colonial war in the former French Indochina.

      US President Andrew Harrison (a fictional character) has a summit with Hitler at Reykjavík, Iceland. The meeting goes badly, the two leaders sharply confront each other, and Hitler secretly decides to accelerate preparations for a surprise attack on both the US and Britain. As part of these preparations, a beautiful German spy seduces and suborns the White House Chief of Staff and makes him a key German spy."

  • LocalSerialChiller | 3 months ago | +2 -1
    looks like the original stealth bombers that we used in the Gulf Coast war. Then again, Hitler should have stuck with the original plan and built the personel rocket for the troops. I mean shit, it worked in the Disney movie:
  • schwabster1 | 3 months ago | +1
    I think the world was luckier Germany surrendered before they could finish the atomic bomb
    • LocalSerialChiller | 3 months ago | +1
      i thought Germany couldn't proceed with construction of an A-bomb because Einstein defected to America and the other German scientists had no clue what to do?
  • cheezeball | 3 months ago | +1
    looks familiar
  • ripsrips69 | 3 months ago | +1
    Nice helmet.
  • pigeons99 | 3 months ago | +1
    Well I doubt it would have been used against the British at the crucial point for the Luftwaffe. The Third Reich took until 1942 to go Total War, Unlike Great Britain of France, because the war had to be sold to the German people. Eventually (by about `42) it became clear that things were starting to turn. Operation Sealion was booted, Barbarossa had stalled and the already in debt Government of Germany would no longer be able to provide the German people with the luxury it was thought was important to give them in order to keep the satisfied with the war. (Hitler believed the hardship suffered by German people in WW1 was a key reason why interest in fighting was lost). So at that point Gobbles (I think it was) had to ask the German people, "Guns or butter?". That is why resources were put in later in the course of the war where there application was limited in the face of destroyed bases, runways and factories. (There are other reasons why things were starting to turn by `42 as well) 
      If I remember correctly, what I heard about this plane and other similar ones, is that they were to provide decent range. Long range bombers were not Germany`s strongest attribution which is partly why they struggled to damage Soviet industry once it had moved (that and they were retreating one way whilst the industry moved the other).  From what I have studied, the bomber was supposed to be coupled with a nuclear like device which would not work exactly like the two bombs dropped on Japan would.  Whilst it would still drop an airburst bomb, instead of having the exact same destructive force of an Atom bomb, it would sprinkle visible particles like snow over cities like Paris, London, New York which would fall like snow. The effect would be deadly radiation poisoning over a large area with a fairly high death toll at the Ground zero.
      It was a rather advanced looking plane at the time though.
    Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt the B2 now being or has been recently relieved of duty or at least been put on operational Holiday? 
    • pigeons99 | 3 months ago | +1
      Great Britain or France sorry*
  • Wonky_Donkey | 3 months ago | +1
    Didn't the US win the war???? Where's the sarcasm font gone too? ;)
  • Noose | 3 months ago | +1
    No luck about it. We took care of business back then.
  • ManInTheArena | 3 months ago | +1
    The germans have always been perfectionists, especially when it came to anything mechanical. They always took their time with painful attention to detail. This is exemplified in the Tiger tank, the Messerschmitt Me 262 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262), to the KAR98K. All FAR superior weapons and vehicles compared to the allies. Shit even the soldiers were better trained and better shots. (Thats probably due to the massive brainwashing campaign) All the way down to the Porsche. Im proud of my heritage even with the deep dark black that is the Holocaust. Shit Germanic barbarians were one of the main reasons for Rome's fall. One of the only armies to sack Rome ever. My ancestors were smart, meticulous, and tough, even though they leaned towards brutality.
    • IZHMASH | 3 months ago | +2
      Yeah all of their equipment was top of the line cuting edge hardware, which kinda also screwed them. If something broke down it was never a simple repair, if the part was even available. On the tiger 1 for example, to change a damaged road wheel 8 other wheels would need to be removed to get to the damaged wheel, vs easily swaping out only the damaged wheel on the sherman and t34. Alot of german tanks had to be abandoned and were captured by advancing allies with minor repairs needed that would cripple the whole tank. But their stuff was excelent when it worked, it would take an average of 8 shermans to take out one tiger....
  • Unitedstatesslave | 3 months ago | +1
    free technology!
  • captainshadow | 3 months ago | +1
    Awesome post
  • yiffy | 3 months ago | +1
    i'm going to space ma don't wait for me
  • friendlygarfield | 3 months ago | +3 -3
    me stealth onto lasagna :-)

  • cheezeball | 3 months ago | +1 -1
    http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/pierredesmaraismusik/piece-of-the-flying-wing-from-Raiders.jpg
    • cheezeball | 3 months ago | +1
      Trying to figure out how to post a god damn picture. Obviously got it now.
  • 2ndhandsmoker | 3 months ago | +1 -4
    The Germans had so many things stacked in their favor how did they blow it so badly? I'm not normally preachy but God had his hand in this.
    • otters4gold | 3 months ago | +1
      God -- always taking credit for the good stuff, none of the bad.
      • 2ndhandsmoker | 3 months ago | +1
        I don't intend to spark a religious debate but read the Bible, he takes credit for plenty of the bad.
        • cplbaldwin | 3 months ago | +1
          Only floods, infernos, pestilence, locust invasions, boils and the death of innocent Egyptian infants... nothing much else, really.
          • Unitedstatesslave | 3 months ago | +1
            I read that bible book and all I gathered from it was "jesus thank god he's dead!"
    • Yoda | 3 months ago | +1
      Attacking Russia didn't help his cause.